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William Duer to To: Francis Lightfoot Lee


My dear sir,
Reading Feby. 14th. 1777 [i.e. 1778]

   You will be much surprised to hear of me from Reading, where I have been detain'd three or four Days in Expectation of receiving a Letter from York Town, the Substance of which is (I am told) a very Extraordinary Conversation betwixt the Marquis de la Fayette, and Genl. Conway, of which I had the Honor of being the Topic.(1) In the




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   Course of a Discussion betwixt these Officers of the Expedition against Canada,(2) the Marquis Exprest his Astonishment, that I should be trusted to go on it, as he had been inform'd that my political Character was that of a Tory.(3) Risum teneatis, Amici,? if you can, your risible Muscles are not so flexible, as I take them to be. I think it is no difficult Matter to guess at the Quarter, whence this Insinuation comes, or the Purpose for which it is design'd. I am happy, however, to learn it in Time, for however I despise the Insinuation it will furnish me with this Useful Lesson not to risque my own Reputation, and Ease of Mind by troubling the Young Telemachus with the Presence of a Person, whom he cannot consider as a Mentor. Before I was informd of this Matter my Imagination suggested to me that the Pleasure, which the Marquis Exprest of my going with him as a Volunteer appeard more the Result of French Politisse than of Inclination; yet, as I was of Opinion my Presence might be useful to the Public, I was willing to sacrifice my own feelings to a more important Consideration. To persist in this Resolution at present would be a Breach of Self Duty, as I must in such Case sacrifice my own Ease, and (possibly) my Reputation, without the Hope of possessing with the Marquis that Influence, which might be necessary for Effecting Purposes beneficial to the public Weal. I have thought it my Duty to communicate this Matter to you in order that you may mention it to the Board of War (4) and to Congress, who probably depend on my going into Canada, and may thereby be prevented from taking such Measures with respect to that Expedition, as Policy may suggest. I think a Committee of Congress ought without Delay to be sent into Canada should our Troops oblige the Enemy to retire to Quebec; and though I owe too much to my own Feelings to Volunteer it, where I am lookd upon in a Suspicious Point of View, I will if Congress think proper, act as one of such a Committee, provided Mr. Law of Connecticut whose Probity and good Sense must be well known in Congress be appointed to act with me. Should Congress think proper to take any Measures on this Subject, they will be pleasd to communicate it to me as early as possible, directing their Letter to the Care of Genl. Schuyler. I shall now proceed from myself to the Public.

   In my last Letter (5) I inform'd you that I should endeavor to prevail on Genl. Mifflin to join the Board of War without delay. I accordingly explain'd to him the Manner in which the Resolution respecting his Settlement of the public Accts. had past,(6) and gave my Opinion, that it ought not to be consider'd in the rigorous Sense which at first View it appears to Convey. All my Endeavors, I am sorry to say, have proved fruitless, his Feelings appear to me greatly wounded, and what has tended to aggravate them is the Return of Mr. Butler from York Town without a Farthing of Cash; although the Department is in a most Miserable Condition for Want of that Article. I



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have taken much Pain to make myself acquainted with the State of the Department, and am fully convinced, that unless active and Experienc'd Officers are immediately appointed to conduct the different Branches of it, and be properly Supplied with Cash, in order to enter into the immediate Execution of the Business, that We shall not be able to take the Feild 'till very late next Year, for Want of Waggons, Camp-Equipage &ca. Nay, I doubt whether this will be the Worse. The Supply of the Army depending upon an Active and judicious Discharge of this Office, a Defect in this Point, added to other Causes, will I fear occasion the Dissolution of the Fragments of a once Powerful Army.

   Your Zeal, my dear sir, for the Cause we are engaged in, will I trust engage you to rouse Congress from their Languour, and not to cease urging them on this Point, 'till Matters are put in a proper Train. So much Time has elapsed without any thing being done with respect to this Matter, that I doubt whether the Exertions of any Person whom Congress can at present appoint will atone for what has past. But should they appoint Persons of Ordinary Talents, or even Persons of Ability, but living at a Distance (whence great Delays must necessarily accrue in their Entering into the Execution of their Office) the most fatal Consequences must Ensue. Some of the Principal Misfortunes in the Commissary's Department were derived last year from this Source. Considering the present critical Situation of Affairs the Persons to conduct this Business ought in my Opinion to be Appointed either out of the Army, or amongst Persons in this State and that of Jersey, who have had some Experience in the Department. There are two Persons in Pena. who in my Opinion are well calculated to conduct two of the Branches respecting the furnishing Waggons and Forage. I mean Mr. Mark Bird and Colo. R.L. Hooper. The former is a Man of great Influence, and Property, and brought up from his Youth in a Business, which from its Nature, is capable of furnishing good Quartermasters, namely the Iron Factory; the second, you know from the Accounts and repeated Testimonies we have received is undoubtedly a Man of Business. To this it may be added that they have already been Employ'd in that Business, which must necessarily give them an Advantage over Persons, whatever their Talent may be, who have not yet applied them in this Channel.

   From Principles of public Duty, I am induced to mention these Persons; but I must observe that in my Opinion nothing can Effect a radical Cure to the Mischiefs which prevail in that System, and introduce Vigor, and OEconomy, not only in that, but in the other military Departments, but the ordering Genl. Schuyler to the Army, and prevailing on him to accept of the Qu. Ma. Department; and in Conjunction with the Comrs. of the War Office to model it, as they shall deem Expedient. I trust you know me too well to think I have so



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often urged this from any Considerations of personal Friendship. Were I to consult his Peace of Mind, I should be against his Accepting it; because I know the Opposition he would meet with from many who make their Harvest, by destroying all Order in the Administration of public Affairs. My Mind is imprest with the Strongest Conviction of the Necessity of calling forth his Talents for the public Service; and Congress will I am afraid be obliged to acknowledge it when it may be too late to remedy the Evils which accrue from the Cruel and unjust State of Suspense he is at present kept in.(7)

   Shall I beg your Attention whilst I enter into some Minutiae with Respect to this Department, which have come to my Knowledge.

1st. There is not at present at Camp Sufficient Strength of Teams and Horses to move the Artillery and Baggage of the Army, should the Movements of the Enemy render a Retreat necessary.

2. Were more Horses and Teams supplied at this Time for Want of a proper Supply of Forage, a judicious Mode of Feeding, and a proper Discipline in the Arrangement and Care of the Teams, they would before the month of April is past be in as miserable a Condition as they are at present.

3d. Upwards of two thousand horses have been Expended in the course of the last Campaign in the Q.M. Department; and from what I can learn few (if any) of the Harness belonging to these Horses have been preserved.

4. Through Want of proper Management and Care of the Tents, few if any of them can be made Serviceable for the next Campaign.

5. No Magazines of Forage from what I can learn is as yet laid up for the Spring Service.

This is a faint Sketch of the State of this Department. I leave it to yourself to draw the Inferences. I shall only observe that it is lamentable to consider that we, whose Resources in this and the Comys. Department are in many Respects much preferable to those of the Enemy, should be in danger of having our Army disbanded from a Want of these Branches being conducted with Spirit and Skill, at a Time when the Enemy are making every Preparation for opening the Campaign early, and profiting by our Want of Attention, and the Exercise of a false humanity (it deserves the Name of Treason!) which induces us to leave in their Power as much Forage, and as many horses, as are necessary for enabling them to act with Vigor in carrying on this wicked, and Cruel War.

   Another Object, which demands your immediate Attention and in which a Delay must be fatal, is the Supplying the Comrs.(8) with Cash for forming the Magazines. I have conferred with Colo. Hooper, and the other Gentn. in this Quarter on the Subject, and am convinced, that if they are immediately supplied, nothwithstanding the




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   Time which has been lost they will answer the Expectation of Congress; if not, all Prospect of forming Magazines in Time on this Side the Susquehanna must be given up. I trust therefore that they will be Supplied immediately with Money. I believe the Treasury Board are alarmed at the large Sums daily demanded for the public Service, but, when they consider that almost all the Articles in the Comys., Quarter Masters, and Cloathing Department, exceed on an Average four Times the Price at which they were purchased not twelve months Since, and that this is Season, in all Wars, where the largest Expenditures are necessary, their Wonder on this Point must cease. However painful the Reflection, more Money (and that a very large Sum must be immediately emitted) but this is like giving Water to a dropsical Man: a ruinous Expedient. It will give Ease for a short Time-but unless our Finances are better managed, than they have been, (or indeed ever can be by a Committee of Congress) the Sinews of War must fail and Congress lose Entirely the Opinion the public once formed of their Wisdom. Less than a Year must, I am confident, exhaust our narrow System of temporary Expedients, and Contracted Measures. The State of the public Debt, and the critical Situation of Affairs call loudly for the Care of Men of Superior Abilities, of Capacity, to form some great comprehensive Plans for our Relief-Men, who will not be biassed by a Consideration to particular States, much less Individuals; or content themselves with a languid Official Execution of their Duty; but apply to the important Business of our Finances with a Steadiness arising from a Conviction of their own Talents, and Integrity, and with the Zeal of Men, who are passionate for their Purpose. Such Men it is the Duty of Congress in my Opinion to find out as quick as possible, to entrust the Super Intendence of the Treasury to them, and to Support them in the Execution of their Office, and in the Plans they may Suggest for introducing public CEconomy, and supplying our Funds. I know it has been a Doctrine pretty generally received as Orthodox in Congress that the Treasury should only be entrusted to the Management of the Members of Congress, and my Colleague Mr. Duane (who to do him justice attended faithfully to it, and managed it with Reputation) is a Sanguine Partizan for this Opinion; yet, whoever considers how few Members of Congress could ever pretend to the Character of Financiers, the Evils, which flow from a constant Fluctuation of Members of the Treasury, and the Partiality in public Advances too often shewn to particular States, and individuals, from a political Complaisance which the Members are inclined to shew to each other, and the Impossibility there is of Members of Congress giving up Sufficient Time to the Board, to make themselves Masters of the Business, and to enable them to conduct it with Advantage to the Public, and with Satisfaction to Individuals, whoever, I say, considers these Points,



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must be of Opinion that the Evils arising from the present mode of Conducting the Treasury infinitely overballance any Advantage, which can result from its being under the Management of Members of Congress.(9) The only Advantage, which I ever heard mention'd as attending the present Mode, was its being a powerful check against Frauds, and improper Application for public Money. But, Surely, there is no magical Influence in the Name of a Committee of Congress, which can of itself produce these valuable Ends. These must be effected by Strict Integrity, Knowledge of Business, and close Attention in the Committee who Super Intend the Treasury-and the same Qualities may be found in Commissioners to be appointed by Congress for this Purpose, at least in equal, and so far as it respects Attention, and Skill, in a Superior Degree. I wish therefore that the Treasury Department, as well as every other Executive Department of Congress was thrown under Commissioners. Every possible Precaution ought certainly to be taken that these Persons should not only be well qualified by their abilities, but, by an unsuspected Integrity of Character, for the Exercise of a Trust, of such high Moment-but if no one was to be appointed to it, but after being a certain Space of Time in Nomination, and by the Voice of nine States, the public would have every Security for a faithful Discharge of this trust which could be expected. An additional one (if deem'd necessary) might still be added; and that is a Committee of Congress to be appointed by the Ballot of nine States, whose Business it should be to inspect monthly the Proceedings of the Commrs. and to report to Congress their Opinion of the Mode in which the Treasury Business has been conducted. Should you agree with me in this Opinion (which I trust you will in a great Measure) you will ask perhaps where are the Men to be procur'd who are fit for this Business, and who are willing to execute it. I must confess that I do not think there are many Men in America, who can be considered as Financiers, our contracted dependant System of Government not affording Scope for Abilities of this Species. Yet some undoubtedly might be found whose Genius fits them in a peculiar Manner for such a Line of Business. Two occur to me at present Mr. R. Morris of this State, and my Colleague Govr. Morris. With respect to the former, you know him so well, that it is unnecessary to enlarge upon his Character-the latter, tho' Young, has turned his thoughts and Course of Reading much to the Subject of Money as a Science, and from his Genius would I am convinced make an Useful, and Shining Member in such a Department. Some others in the different States might be fix'd on, with whom I am not acquainted. Whether or no if Congress thought proper to make such an Establishment these Persons would accept, I cannot tell; but this I am certain of-that they ought to do it, as the Situation of public Affairs calls for the Talents of every Person in that Line, where he


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can be most Useful to his Country. My Mind is so strongly oppressed with these and Several other Matters relating to our public Matters that I cannot find ease till I unbosom myself, and I know no one to whom I can do it with greater Frankness than yourself. A long Experience of you in the Course of last Year had convinced me of your Abilities to judge, and of your Determination to persue what is Right. I am interrupted from proceeding further by a Messenger who brings an account from the Army, which I have Daily expected. I have obtained a Copy of the Letter concerning the Situation of our Army, which I transmit to you.(10) If Congress has not received the Acct. make such Use of it as your Prudence may Suggest. For my own Part, when I consider the Character of our present Councils, and that of the principal Leaders in our Army, I am induced to prepare My Mind for an Event (which unless a Miracle interposes) will certainly happen, the Dissolution of the Army. Whether or no this may prove Eventually for the Worse, I am at a Loss to determine. Some great public Calamity may call forth the Spirit of Enquiry into the Causes of our misfortunes, rouse all our public Bodies from their Languour, compell the Prejudices of States and Individuals to bend to the public Good, and call forth those Spirited and determined Whigs both in our Councils, and in our Armies, by whose means only this Revolution dike all others which have ever happend) will be brought to an Issue .

   You may perhaps think me too Sanguine in harbouring such an Idea, but when you Consider the Justice of this War, and take a retrospective View of the Extraordinary Events which have happen'd in it, and the Instruments with which we have labour'd you will be induced to cry out as a good Catholic, Non nobis Domine.

   Dr. Potts is kind enough to take charge of this Letter, I flatter myself from the necessary Changes which will be made in our Medical System, and from the Harmony which (I trust) will subsist betwixt himself and Dr. Shippen the most beneficial Consequences will be derived in the Management of our Hospitals.(11)

   I beg you to tender my Respects to Mrs. Lee, and to remember me to the Members of the Board, particularly our Fellow Labourer in the Vinyard Dick Peters. Tell him I meditate writing him in Folio the next Attack I have of the Cacoethes Scrib.

   You will oblige me in making my Compliments to Mr. Arnet (12) and Mr. Penn, and Mr. Langworthy, and Mr. Wood, my old Mess mates.

   As I have some Matters which I propose communicating to you from this Place I shall stay here till I have finished another Letter to you. Since I have been out of the Vortex of Confusion in York Town Two Matters have suggested themselves to me, the one an Expeditious, and Cheap Mode, of procuring a Body of Horse for the next




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   Campaign, the other, in my Opinion as certain Mode of recovering the Navigation of the Delaware, and thereby obliging the Enemy either to Surrender, or to hazard a Retreat through the Jerseys with the Loss of their Shipping. Twenty five thousand Men with good Generals to conduct the different Divisions of the Army, will I think be Sufficient.

   However you and the Board of War will judge of both when I communicate the matter fully.


God bless you, and Yours!

Wm. Duer

P.S. I have particular Reasons for wishing that Congress was immediately furn[ishe]d with an Exact Muster of the Conl. Army, particularly the Main Army. It is high Time we should know the Worst of Matters and prepare against it as Wise, as Brave men ought.


Note: RC (ViU). For a more elaborate discussion of this letter, see Louis Gottschalk and Josephine Fennell, eds., "Duer and the 'Conway Cabal,' " American Historical Review 52 (October 1946): 87-96.


1 Gottschalk and Fennell doubted that such a "Conversation" took place, pointing out that Gen. Thomas Conway had left York the day before Lafayette arrived there on January 30, 1778, to receive instructions from the Board of War for the fortheoming Canadian expedition. Ibid., p. 90n.9. Unfortunately, they were unaware of the fact that Lafayette and Conway met at Lancaster on January 29 and conversed alone together "for a considerable time," a meeting discussed in "Extract of a Report from Mr. Thomas Sandford" [January 1778], Washington Papers, DLC. It was undoubtedly during this meeting that Lafayette made the unflattering remarks about Duer described in the present letter.




2 For a discussion of this abortive expedition, see Henry Laurens to the marquis de Lafayette, January 22, 1778, note 2.




3 Lafayette detested Duer because of Duer's critical attitude toward the marquis' cherished friend Washington. In a January 27, 1778, letter to President Laurens, Lafayette had called Duer and Gen. Thomas Conway "the two greatest ennemys and most insolent calumniators of my friends" and had singled out Duer in particular as one who "has the reputation in the country, to be a tory, and you'll know by several instances that he is a rascall." Lafayette, Papers (Idzerda), 1:260. See also ibid., pp. 285-87.




4 Of which both Duer and Lee were members.




5 Not found.




6 See Henry Laurens to Thomas Mifflin, February 10, 1778.




7 General Schuyler was under investigation by Congress for his role in the evacuation of Ticonderoga and Mount Independence in July 1777. For a discussion of this investigation, see John Hancock to Arthur St. Clair and Philip Schuyler, August 5, 1777, note.




8 Commissioners.




9 Although Duer was not the only delegate who was in favor of entrusting the administration of the treasury department to nonmembers of Congress, it was not until April 15 that the Board of Treasury submitted such a plan to Congress. See JCC, 10:349-51.




10 Possibly Washington's comprehensive January 29 report to the Committee at Camp. Because Duer later mentioned "the former letter I sent you from Genl. Washington," it seems likely that the enclosure was a letter from the general, but it is not perfectly clear from Washington's surviving correspondence which letter



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Duer actually sent to Lee. See Washington, Writings (Fitzpatrick), 10:362403; and Duer to Francis Lightfoot Lee, February 19, 1778.




11 Dr. Jonathan Potts had been appointed "deputy director general" of the medical department "in the middle district" on February 6 and was therefore subordinate to Dr. William Shippen, Jr., director general of the entire medical department. JCC, 10:131.




12 Cornelius Harnett.